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July 23, 2017, 03:01:24 AM
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Why would a transfer of VERI from "Reggie's wallet" to JSE's wallet change the supply numbers or supply dynamics?

I wasn't alluding to market supply, I was talking about blockchain supply and how much of it counts towards "commonly reported" marketcap.

They are 2 distinct metrics.

Having JSE buy equity of Veritaseum makes no sense, no company operates like that.

"Institutional investors" (such as large hedgefunds) are generally prohibited from investing in unregulated markets such as Bitcoin. But if you can create a paper company, then create a token (on the Ethereum blockchain) and find a way to have that company "own" a portion of the blockchain value then you've basically packaged the blockchain asset into an "equity wrapper" which could in fact be digestible by "institutional investors".

That equity packaged token can be far more attractive to investors like Bank for Jamaica for multiple reasons:

[1] By investing in the equity of a company which owns 98% of the blockchain value, they still have huge exposure to the token trading price

[2] They bypass laws that don't let them operate in unregulated markets

[3] They potentially gain exposure to all of the intellectual property associated with the token technology (which token holders do not)

[4] The equity "buffer" passes exposure to downside risk from the equity holder to the "naked" token holders since equity holders retain a holding in their original investment capital which token holders do not

There are also advantages for "Reggie's Company"

[1] He can capitalise it from the ICO markets without loosing any equity (which he would do in VC markets)

[2] He needs to find liquidity for 98 million tokens than he could not find in the ICO market

[3] The tiny traded volume delivers him a price with which to negotiate with potential "institutional investors", but not without risk. So to mitigate that risk for the institutional investor he gives them access through the 'wrapper' which means that their investment is insured to some extent even if the token price crashes

[4] In that way he can further capitalise his company (but this time by compromising equity) from the institutional markets. However the huge abundance of tokens in his possession means he has nothing to loose and has passed the entire project risk to the token investor primarily and the institutional investor secondarily

The reason for the low initial offering was to mitigate the risk for small investors at the ICO stage. He had to do this to get some investment in at all costs otherwise there would have been no quotable market price for the tokens as an asset.

Those with most to loose therefore are "naked" token investors who invest now. They will carry the risk on behalf of:

 • Initial investors
 • "Reggies company"
 • Institutional Investors (who invest in the token asset through the "Reggie & Co" Equity wrapper)

Of course I am making assumptions here because we don't really know what the genuine business plan is behind this ICO. But either way, anyone investing in the "2%" market now will be checkmated into holding all the risk by the three groups above as far as I can see.

I appears that you believe our venture is with the Bank of Jamacia, but it is with the Jamacian Stock Exchange. Also our venture with the JSE is not so they can speculate or invest in VERI. They are purchasing VERI to use it for it's utility value, in this case, the development of the digital asset exchange. Therefore it will not affect the market cap reported by coinmarketcap.
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July 23, 2017, 06:37:39 AM
Last edit: July 23, 2017, 07:02:02 AM by azmojo
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You clearly don't understand VERI. Watch Reggie's latest video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHFPGtVxq4

VERI is software, NOT equity, not anything else.

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At the end of the video:
"There's going to be some media reports coming out, that's going to be an INTERESTING ride!"

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July 23, 2017, 07:05:42 AM
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All TokNormal ever post are to cheer the super instamined DASH and troll the VERI forum....   Why are you guys even responding to him.  Just stop.   
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It is unfortunate that toknormal is a cheerleader to Dash, because:
1) If bitcoin scales successfully, the role of providing anonymous/private transactions can be taken over by bitcoin.
2) If bitcoin does not scale, regulation will still eventually be in place and stifle Dash's future.

Either way, Dash is a sell.

toknormal is just making things up as he goes along.
Every single argument he make can be discredited.


     
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July 23, 2017, 08:30:45 AM
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Reggie, have you ever thought about shaving your head bald and your moustache/beard too?
You may actually look 20 years sexier if you do that.


     
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July 23, 2017, 08:34:25 AM
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VERI is software, NOT equity, not anything else.

VERI is a tradeable token and I didn't anywhere suggest it was equity.

I appears that you believe our venture is with the Bank of Jamacia, but it is with the Jamacian Stock Exchange.

Ah yes, the JSE, thanks for the correction. https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@mind-steem/update-from-reggie-middleton-veritaseum-is-taking-jamaica-to-the-next-level

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We have a signed MOU with the Chairaman of the Board and the Managing Director of the Jamaica Stock Exchange to do a rapid buildout of a digital asset exchange via joint venture

So what is the nature of the MOU  and who are its signatories ? Is the actual text of the MOU in the public domain ?
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Veritaseum — Revolutionizing Smart Contracts and Peer-to-Peer Capital Markets: http://www.cryptocoinupdates.com/veritaseum-revolutionizing-smart-contracts-and-peer-to-peer-capital-markets/
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July 23, 2017, 09:13:50 AM
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VERI is a tradeable token and I didn't anywhere suggest it was equity.

By suggesting participation in VERI is an investment, you are implying the token is an equity.

Similarly, you also used a completely flawed example of accounting to indicate Veritaseum's equity is zero.

Thus, I strongly believe you do suggest the token was/is equity.


     
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Thus, I strongly believe you do suggest the token was/is equity.

Indeed, you believe lots of things I notice. Nevertheless you can take it that I'm not suggesting that VERI itself is a corporate entity but rather that it can manifest as an asset of such a corporate entity.
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Thus, I strongly believe you do suggest the token was/is equity.

Indeed, you believe lots of things I notice. Nevertheless you can take it that I'm not suggesting that VERI itself is a corporate entity but rather that it can manifest as an asset of such a corporate entity.


Yeah, I do believe in lots of things, but it's not like you can list them all out here.
And you are just playing word game here with unsubstantiated claims.
From most of your comments, I can see you are not academically/formally educated, more like self-educated.
And you do not have professional background in any field.


     
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July 23, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
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It is unfortunate that toknormal is a cheerleader to Dash, because:
1) If bitcoin scales successfully, the role of providing anonymous/private transactions can be taken over by bitcoin.
2) If bitcoin does not scale, regulation will still eventually be in place and stifle Dash's future.

Either way, Dash is a sell.

toknormal is just making things up as he goes along.
Every single argument he make can be discredited.

Exactly... don't respond to trolls.  You keep quoting him and he thinks he's getting the attention he desperately needs.  Can you PLEASE STOP quoting him?!??!
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July 23, 2017, 11:13:13 AM
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Thus, I strongly believe you do suggest the token was/is equity.

Indeed, you believe lots of things I notice. Nevertheless you can take it that I'm not suggesting that VERI itself is a corporate entity but rather that it can manifest as an asset of such a corporate entity.


Yeah, I do believe in lots of things, but it's not like you can list them all out here.
And you are just playing word game here with unsubstantiated claims.
From most of your comments, I can see you are not academically/formally educated, more like self-educated.
And you do not have professional background in any field.

Dorky. You seem well educated and fairly intelligent. On the top of that you are also patient and willing to help/educate. I would feel much better and would be also much more productive for our VERI community as a whole, for you to allocate your precious and limited time into writing/recording some more tehnical stuff and creating a "document" aka VERI for dummies video/PPT version. By doing that you would create something immensely important for VERI holders and others too. Your time is too valuable to waste it on people like toknormal.    
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I would feel much better....for you to allocate your precious and limited time into writing/recording some more tehnical stuff and creating a "document" aka VERI for dummies video/PPT version.

Indeed Dorky.

Something that illustrates the various aspects of the business model from the perspective of all stakeholders involved, as well as each of their priorities and risks, i.e.

 • ICO/exchange market investors
 • the interests of the issuing corporate entity
 • potential "institutional investors"

Here's an example to start you off and give you some ideas. This one illustrates the two potential scenarios I outlined in an earlier posts whereby instead of selling the 'reserved' token supply on the open market they are held by a corporate entity instead and shares sold in that corporate entity. As you correctly say, I may have no idea what I'm talking about - it's just that scenario 2 looks far more attractive to me both from the issuer's point of view and from that of prospective 'institutional'. Feel free to respond with a similar document showing why it isn't.

Finally, there is one aspect missing from this analysis of course. That's the thing that everyone has been asserting consistently in this thread which is that VERI is "software" and not a "trading security" (even though it's traded and held as one by every poster I've seen). But to make a proper appraisal of that dimension of the token we'd need to see the applications concerned and be able to quantify its potential revenue earning capacity.

Lets see what Monday brings on that front Wink



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July 23, 2017, 08:39:55 PM
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I would feel much better....for you to allocate your precious and limited time into writing/recording some more tehnical stuff and creating a "document" aka VERI for dummies video/PPT version.

Indeed Dorky.

Something that illustrates the various aspects of the business model from the perspective of all stakeholders involved, as well as each of their priorities and risks, i.e.

 • ICO/exchange market investors
 • the interests of the issuing corporate entity
 • potential "institutional investors"

Here's an example to start you off and give you some ideas. This one illustrates the two potential scenarios I outlined in an earlier posts whereby instead of selling the 'reserved' token supply on the open market they are held by a corporate entity instead and shares sold in that corporate entity. As you correctly say, I may have no idea what I'm talking about - it's just that scenario 2 looks far more attractive to me both from the issuer's point of view and from that of prospective 'institutional'. Feel free to respond with a similar document showing why it isn't.

Finally, there is one aspect missing from this analysis of course. That's the thing that everyone has been asserting consistently in this thread which is that VERI is "software" and not a "trading security" (even though it's traded and held as one by every poster I've seen). But to make a proper appraisal of that dimension of the token we'd need to see the applications concerned and be able to quantify its potential revenue earning capacity.

Lets see what Monday brings on that front Wink





  Thank you for your illustrates. Wink
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July 23, 2017, 08:55:36 PM
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Toknormal, you better go and defend your dash... seems people are leaving in droves cause of people like you....

https://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/6p2fwh/just_sold_all_my_dash_for_litecoin/
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July 23, 2017, 10:14:13 PM
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Right, because business owners want to dilute themselves every time they acquire a new customer.

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July 23, 2017, 10:51:57 PM
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$4.5million USD worth of VERI stolen



See here:

https://ethplorer.io/address/0x17f96db403e2f8e0461f9d75e1f1a3a0caff3fb5#pageSize=100

https://ethplorer.io/address/0x3fff90bf314673194c3a265ed1c0aa68f59550c4#pageSize=100


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That explains the dumping on ED.

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